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on today's podcast we are discussing a

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part of Lockheed Martin

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many may know it by the term Skunk Works

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some of the most truly awe-inspiring

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aeronautics

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projects known to man

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and we've got just the guy to tell us

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about it someone who has worked with

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collaborated on projects taking

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photography images of many of the most

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top secret aircraft of all time

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so buckle up for an extremely important

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blast off Blast Off blast off

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Blast Off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast AKA hero paranormal

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broadcasting from the base at la Madre

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Mountain just south of area 51. my name

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is Ryan the anomalous ambassador of the

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airwaves bringing you a stealthy episode

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today

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we have none other than James C Goodall

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he is uh someone in the know he's spoken

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to people who are behind the top secret

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Veil and he has been in touch with many

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know what to look for when looking for

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things that are in the Skunk Works

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variety of advanced projects

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when it comes to the Aeronautics

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industry very few

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have the information

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and intelligence knowledge as former

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Master Sergeant James Goodall

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he is

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a wealth of information I know this is

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going to be an absolutely amazing topic

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because we are talking about something

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that thrives on tackling seemingly

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impossible work

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also seemingly impossible is my ability

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to understand why all listeners have not

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paranormal there is a ton of content

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behind the paywall just go to patreon

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look for hero paranormal And subscribe

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you can also get a ton of that content

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well let's get to it guys here it is

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on today's podcast we discuss the top

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secret division of Lockheed Martin

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conceived in 1943 Skunk Works as it

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would be known thereafter super

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secretive history making Engineers who

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worked on programs

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that would gather them a total of six

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Collier Trophies the most prestigious

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award in aeronautics

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period

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and it's a tough industry today we speak

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with James Goodall

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former Master Sergeant at the United

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States Air Force

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restoration manager at the Museum of Air

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flight

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former curator at the Pearl Harbor

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former employee of the kit Peak National

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and a man who has not only worked in

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cooperation with Lockheed Martin's Skunk

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Works secret projects but has the

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photographs books and life events to

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back it up

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James Goodall welcome to the hero

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it is going great going a lot better now

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that I'm talking to you I I've been

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wanting to talk to you for a while

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you you have a pretty hefty

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um background in uh not only your

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service to this country thank you for

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but also in

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photographing and witnessing being to

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areas that have some of the most super

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secretive history making craft that I've

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seen and uh tell us a little bit about

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yourself how you got to be in

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in these positions

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uh actually it started when I was about

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where we're not that far from San Jose

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it's 1951 or 52 time frame

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and I'd already gone to bed but it was

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still light outside my dad came into the

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bedroom and said I don't know what's

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coming but you got to see it

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so I got guys we went back outside and

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all you could hear was just a

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a deep rumbling I mean it was it was

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really eerie sounding and over the coast

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mountains came not one but two convair

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and I have that's been imprinted in my

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in my brain since that point forward and

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I've never and it really changed

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everything about what my passions are

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machines primarily but Aviation

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fast forward uh now I'm about 10 years

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old 10 11 years old I'm living in the

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hardest what it's going to now call

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Silicone Valley I was in the mountain

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commander

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at muffin field Naval Air Station and we

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were always referred to by the Marine

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Securities and the Shore Patrol as

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Captain Smith's son and that friend of

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we actually were visible to most

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everybody there because we were there so

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the big Hangar that you know the big

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hanger won their Moffitt

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that you got to see it so we headed we

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headed over to uh the big Hangar and we

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just rode our bicycles right down the

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middle of the hangar

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and people didn't even turn around and

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look at us because we did it so much

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to get to the North End which is the Bay

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and there was an area that was cordoned

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off and said keep out there was no use

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of deadly force authorized or uh

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whatever I never know then there were no

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so Danny you know pulls the curtain back

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and I look at this is the

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prototype xf-104 Starfighter had been at

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NASA Ames it was at the NACA back then

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it was in NASA yet

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but they were at the big wind tunnel

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complex there at Moffett you know the

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Ames Ames Research Center

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and it's beautiful I mean the world

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hadn't seen her had not seen a picture

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of the f-104

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it was still classified I believe at

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that time it was still classified Secret

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and we walk around it and here's the

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shiny thing it is as beautiful of a

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machines even today if you see a

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polished

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f-104 you'll just go wow and that was

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designed in the early 50s so we're going

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to kicking you know kicking the tires

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looking around and Danny says get in the

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cockpit she's gonna move the boarding

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router over there open the canopy I get

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in close the canopy and latch it and I'm

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in here about no minute two minutes and

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and it jammed oh my oh yeah what are you

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gonna do now so Danny had to go get uh

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some maintenance guys and Shore Patrol

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to get me out apparently there's some

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something was was bad with the linkage

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from the ex from the internal handle

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versus the external uh release they

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finally got me out and we got our butts

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chewed on a scale of one to ten it was

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about three thousand it was just

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hilarious so that's that's where my

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first involvement was Skunk Works

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and then in March of 1962 I joined the

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Air Force so we're moving forward again

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I'm 17 years old and

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now stationed at Lowry Air Force Base in

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Denver Colorado I'm a Communications

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specialist

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in January late January of 1964

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I get a set of TDY orders temporary Duty

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orders to go from Lowry Air Force Base

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to Edwards Air Force Base to help

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support three programs on category one

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testing I did get I did

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ground ground-based Telemetry among

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so here I am at Edwards Air Force Base I

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mean this is going to be the focal point

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of the world as far as cool airplanes

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it was a leap year uh someone set up the

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and our ability was about eight miles

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from the flight line and my vehicle was

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gone so I didn't see what happened all I

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knew was something incredible came in

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and it set off the the delegate system

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in the hangar and what it was two yf-12s

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came in from Area 51 they turned so

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they're you know the rear end is facing

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the you know the entrance to the hangar

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but the engines are still running

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before they shut them off and the heat

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generated so much uh heat in the hanger

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from the engine exhaust the Deluge

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system uh was activated and that dumps

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about 60 000 gallons

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almost instantly of water it's going to

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put out any fire that's in the hanger

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and if I'm grounded the uh

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uh the Lockheed decks and that's that's

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where it set off all the alarms so fast

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forward now where it's uh March 10th

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1964. I'm to Tuesday I'm taking a

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shuttle flight from Edwards Air Force

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Base to Hawthorne California suburb of

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and we're going in a

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italian-built Piaggio it's a gull Wing

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and I hear a Roar and I see debris

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blowing them being blown across rocks as

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dry like so I run down the taxiway and I

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look towards the new Hangar which is

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near the xb70 test pad

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big gigantic monstrous black

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airplane that people Rivals small

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walking around it and the fire coming

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out of the rear end was just immense and

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also they yelled hey we're loading so I

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had to run back up the flight line get

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into you know the airplane and we took

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off going down the flight going down the

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tax away and just took off over Rogers

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dry like we didn't even go out to the

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runway and we banked over

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this thing that was on the xb70 test pad

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and I'm looking down it already shut

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down the engines

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and I'm looking down on it and I cannot

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believe what I'm seeing I mean it's

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it's affected me the rest of my life

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here I'm looking down as an 18 year old

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looking at the world's most secret

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airplane The Mach 3

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Interceptor version of the Blackboard

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the yf-12 interceptor

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and I was I was off the rest of the week

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I had a lot of comp time and then that

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following Monday morning I got a set of

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orders for Lockheed hanger

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and I walk in the walkie Tanger and I'm

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looking at the back of two black boots

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I'm an 18 year old kid who is nuts about

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airplanes

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and this this set my destiny

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so uh when I got out of service I would

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you know I really wanted to learn a lot

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of information uh

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on the Blackbirds and I wrote that

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Secretary of Defense uh Secretary of the

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Air Force chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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um

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uh Lockheed and a few other uh people

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asking for not for and I'm willing to

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pay the the going price for

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uh for photos

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so

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the Blackbird

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and their official party back then was

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not to cooperate

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so I had to start digging and the more I

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dug the more I found out the more I

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found out the deeper I dug and over the

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course of the last 50 years I became

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from a historical point of view not

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necessarily huge at any point of view

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but if I'm a historical point of view

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the most knowledgeable person

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probably outside of maybe two or three

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people and they're probably dead now

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because it's become the program is

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because that's you know to the late 50s

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uh I'm probably the most knowledgeable

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person from a historical point of view

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I've interviewed everybody that pretty

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much that's crashed one and survived

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they they crashed 20 blackbirds they

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only had four fatalities

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and it's it's just a passion of mine so

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I started digging and the more I dug the

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more I found out the more I found out

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the deeper I dug

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so over the course of 50 years it came

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to a point where literally there wasn't

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anything that about the Blackbirds from

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a historical point of view that I didn't

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know

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so then I decided I was going to write a

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book on on the F-117

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and this time I knew it I knew what the

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game plan was I knew they weren't going

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to cooperate so I didn't even ask it I

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just I went forward with it and one

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thing led to another and I've I hated

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current papers in high school and I

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hated term papers when I was at

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University of Minnesota

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I said I just it's not what I wanted to

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do and where am I now I'm trying to

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figure out what my 30th book is going to

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be

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and and that you don't make any money

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being a writer so don't get me wrong I

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mean literally

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if you break down what I earned per hour

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writing my books not counting expenses

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like cameras and travel and hotel and

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and everything else that goes with being

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out in the field I probably would gross

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not net but gross probably two or three

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cents an hour to put into it but I did

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is a passion this is not this is not a

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job this is this is something that comes

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from deep inside me and it's something I

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I just feels I thoroughly thoroughly uh

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enjoy and I love it

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it's so amazing and before we we kind of

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get deeper into this let's before we

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forget let's tell listeners

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um where they can get your books and we

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purchase them because obviously that

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if you're in if you're into the

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Blackbird or into the Skunk Works or

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into the

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stealth bomber or even the other the

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other stealth machines that I focus on

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our United States nuclear powered

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submarines I have two books

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on one first volume one is on the Los

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Angeles class 688 and the 68 688 eyes

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plus our adversaries such as the Chinese

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the Russians the North Koreans and Iran

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and uh

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I don't know when hell was going I just

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lost track

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but it's it's something I do it's just

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it's something I just I'm compelled to

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do I I believe that I have to I have to

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you know

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um

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protect history

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because I'm a historian that's that's

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what I wanted to be when I was a young

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kid when I was in high school when I was

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a juvenile delinquent so it didn't

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really help me any but

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I I wanted to be a high school history

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teacher I absolutely love us ESPN

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history in general and when I was when I

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was on the Pentagon at Desert Storm that

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was I was a tech sergeant I I

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volunteered to go to Saudi Arabia

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for a year minimum of a year to do you

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know to do classified interviews from

401
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Schwarzkopf on down but since I was so

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controversial

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um my F-117 book was out and they felt I

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Knew Too Much they didn't want me in a

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foreign country with that information

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especially in a time of conflict

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so it's just you know one thing is led

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into another I'm uh I have been honored

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to meet some of the most incredible

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people in the in the world of Aviation

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uh I met Kelly Johnson Ben Rich his

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replacement at the Skunk Works we

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communicated once a quarter for 25 years

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and he's that is the reason well I was

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able to scrounge

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the eighth production a12 blackbird

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for the Minnesota Air Guard Museum and

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uh

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and everybody was dumbfounded I went to

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my boss and say I want to get a

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Blackburn for our Museum he started

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laughing at me

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General Schwab says why are you going to

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get it here

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and I told him

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he was a little bit flabbergasted and I

427
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had five let me step backwards I had uh

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five years active duty I had a 10-year

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break

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and then I wanted access to military

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bases to shoot airplanes photograph

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airplanes

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so I uh

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I decided to join the Minnesota Air

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National Guard as a historian

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and I needed one and I spent 21 years

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with the Minnesota Air Guard and that

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got me into a lot of places so I'm

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talking to Major General Al Schwab and

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they said General Schwab I want I want

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to get a Blackboard for the museum he

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starts laughing at me

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I said sir do me a favor I said what's

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this

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he said give me an opportunity to fail

446
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and he said all right smarty how are you

447
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going to get it here

448
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because we said we don't have money to

449
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transport it I said I already got that

450
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covered so what do you mean you got that

451
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covered I said I called the adjunate

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general who stayed in New York uh Paul

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Weaver and I called his office and the

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secretary answered I said yes ma'am this

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is uh Sergeant Goodall with the 133rd

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that would be the 133 airlift Wing in

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Minneapolis Saint Paul International

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Airport

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that's where it's based at he said I

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have uh is the General in and she says

461
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yes sir just a minute I'll put you

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through

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he gets on the phone and we're chatting

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away and he says uh science how can I

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help you I said sir I have a request

466
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how would you know how would you like

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be able to uh

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or my mind just went away a second

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how would you like to move the world's

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fast this airplane

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in one of your c5s

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he said I mean it was if he said you

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mean the Blackbird and I said yes sir

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he said when you're ready you call Will

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Hall

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so that was taken care of that was taken

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care of now now I have a way of getting

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it there

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and uh you know just you know just one

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one thing just just uh led to another

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you know like we got the permission from

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uh

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a blackbird I convinced the entire

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Minnesota Congressional delegations at

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the time five Democrats and five

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Republicans

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to sign the letters stating that there's

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a lot of Minnesota Connection in the

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Blackbirds Rosemont for one digital

490
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static picotube along the air data stuff

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Honeywell which uh manufactured built

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and designed all of the electronics the

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the stabilization augmentation system

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the autopilot the inlet control system a

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bunch of other electronics

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and uh 3M with their adhesives and

497
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shelled all with their you know where

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they're flexible circuits so that and

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four of the original a12 Pilots learned

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how to fly

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in your guard I got their you know got

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their you know their you know their

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wings in their cart and they were uh

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blue shock who was the first guy to fly

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the airplane

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uh it was uh Jimmy Sam was the first guy

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to fly the yf-12 Interceptor and Bob

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Dylan was the first guy to fly the f-10

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I mean the uh the SR-71 and all three

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three of those guys learned how to fly

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with the air guard

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not going in with the Tennessee Air

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Guard uh Lou and Jim eustim uh with the

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George air guard so there's a lot of air

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guide influence in there and because

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you're at the Air Force Museum felt

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Justified to say okay

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it's yours how are you going to get it

519
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there

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and uh I felt that wasn't the problem

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because I already had that figured out

522
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and so we got the we got the approval

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and then on uh in August of course uh so

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not Hussein invaded uh Kuwait and that

525
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board is sort of put things uh in a jam

526
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but we eventually got it and the in

527
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October of 2000 correction in 1991 not

528
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2000. over 30 years ago now

529
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our team went to Palmdale to dismantle

530
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the

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station 112 we did that in uh two and a

532
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half days

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which uh but I had three Chief masses

534
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:06,720
are just e9s three senior master

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sergeants he ate and the rest of us were

536
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:13,500
either uh p7s or E sixes and there was a

537
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:15,059
it was a

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the baker's dozen there was 13 of us and

539
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we just we just knew what to do I mean

540
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:21,419
all these guys have been maintenance

541
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guys on Lockheed airplanes primarily

542
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,760
c-130s for you know 30 or 40 years so we

543
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had I had the best of the best as far as

544
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helping me taking the thing apart

545
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and just one thing led to another and

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um we had a we had her apart and we had

547
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to wait uh a week and a half or two

548
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weeks

549
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for the C5 to be available and they

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became available and I flew back out to

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uh California after we went on our C130

552
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back to Palmdale

553
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and we loaded the uh peace Lodge on its

554
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:58,740
landing gear

555
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to the inside of New York air guard c5a

556
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and then

557
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,360
second C5 we put the engine the cells

558
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,640
now to Wing panels and those two items

559
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:11,100
comprised of filling up in both

560
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:15,000
airplanes almost completely so it's a

561
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:18,600
it's a really really really big airplane

562
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,640
it's on the 27th of October 1991 we've

563
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:25,679
we flew from

564
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:29,220
Palmdale up to Travis to get gas spent

565
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,860
the night there the next morning we take

566
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:33,960
off we're heading to Minnesota

567
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:36,600
and we're about 15 you know about 40

568
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:40,320
minutes out after taking off and the lug

569
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:41,940
Master he was a chief Master Sergeant

570
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,039
he's uh he's going to go down and check

571
00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:46,320
the load make sure nothing is shifted

572
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,940
because we only had an inch and a half

573
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,159
of clearance well on the four rails when

574
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:52,440
we brought the airplane in and but there

575
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:56,100
was about 40 chains holding it secure

576
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,440
so I asked the chief I said hey can I go

577
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,760
down with you as well normally the

578
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:02,640
answer would be no but since this is

579
00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:05,400
uh you know this is your project come on

580
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,340
down so I came on down with him and I I

581
00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:10,200
sort of walked around the airplane what

582
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:11,940
you know a good one then I

583
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:15,539
climbed up in the landing gear on walked

584
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,220
along the Chimes and I had the canopy

585
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,860
blocked open with wheel chock

586
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:22,080
because there was no there was no uh

587
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:25,320
nitrogen in the counterbalance so I

588
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:26,820
opened the canopy

589
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,640
get the truck off you know put it right

590
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,919
between my legs sat down I had a bucket

591
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,600
in a five gallon bucket with a cushion

592
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:36,000
in there and I closed the canopy so I'm

593
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:37,740
in there

594
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,059
for

595
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:42,480
a good 45 50 minutes I mean I'm just

596
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:44,760
sitting there going to in my head going

597
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,740
zoom zoom look at me I'm flying the

598
00:25:50,690 --> 00:25:49,140
Blackbird in a few minutes and then all

599
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:50,700
of a sudden I see a wrap on the bottom

600
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,980
of the uh fuselage and I open the

601
00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:54,480
canopies yeah we gotta go back upstairs

602
00:25:58,669 --> 00:25:56,520
I said I got to go back up and I can't

603
00:26:00,590 --> 00:25:58,679
have you down by you know by yourself so

604
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,600
I went back upstairs

605
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,700
and now we're in our Final Approach into

606
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,100
uh into Minnesota we're just starting to

607
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:06,960
descend and so we can have about 30

608
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,539
minutes before we touch down

609
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,880
and the Chief came back to me and said

610
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:14,400
no the boss said uh you can ride in the

611
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,200
cockpit when we land

612
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,720
so in C5 there's a behind the wing box

613
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,059
there's room for 75 troops

614
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,159
and forward the wing box is the flight

615
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:25,679
deck as well I'm already here he said no

616
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:29,580
no down down below so I went back down I

617
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:30,900
got in

618
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:33,059
back into the cockpit

619
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:35,760
and we landed you landed the C5 and when

620
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,220
when this when the a12 was rolled out of

621
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:40,860
the C5 I'm still in the cockpit

622
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:42,900
and you couldn't have knocked the grin

623
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,700
off my face with a two by four with

624
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:46,080
nails on it

625
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:49,620
and and I called when I you know finally

626
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,059
all the Death settled the next day I

627
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,400
called Ben rich and they said Ben I

628
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:55,919
think I hold a blackbird record

629
00:27:01,490 --> 00:26:58,799
that no one will ever to be able to beat

630
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:01,500
he said what's that I said I'm the only

631
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,900
person on the planet

632
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:05,520
and has been in the cockpit of a

633
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:10,980
blackbird at 33 000 feet at Mach 0.72

634
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:13,919
inside another airplane

635
00:27:20,210 --> 00:27:17,460
and he he said he was laughing so hard

636
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,220
he almost wet his pants this is poor Ben

637
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,620
Rich he said you know I'm almost tempted

638
00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:25,320
to issue a Mach 3 minus card

639
00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,159
but he didn't so uh and just one thing

640
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,340
led to another I mean and now uh

641
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:35,279
you know there was sort of a

642
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:37,020
the Air Force Museum didn't know what to

643
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:38,700
do with the Minnesota Air Guard Museum

644
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,740
because it was the only one in in you

645
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,779
know and there's uh

646
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,480
under their control

647
00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:48,480
and in between Christmas and in between

648
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:51,779
Thanksgiving and Christmas they sent a

649
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:55,080
uh note a letter or email or whatever it

650
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,279
was too

651
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,039
um our wing headquarters saying that the

652
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,260
Air Force Museum

653
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:03,120
has decided they were gonna they were

654
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,419
gonna take the a12 away from us

655
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,760
and they we had 60 days in which to

656
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,740
protest

657
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,960
12 30 of those days were already used

658
00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:14,760
I'm on 45 there was days around almost

659
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,779
used up before anybody even read the uh

660
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:21,120
the email or the text

661
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,860
so they eventually took it and that

662
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,960
really upset the hell out of me so it's

663
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,059
not there anymore but I had I had the uh

664
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:30,720
the honor and the privilege of uh being

665
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:33,720
its uh caretaker for uh

666
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:36,600
a decade and a half and I'm I'm honored

667
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,559
for that

668
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:40,980
and then uh was it

669
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,059
beginning of uh 2012.

670
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:47,760
I contacted Lockheed and I said uh would

671
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,100
you be interested in in

672
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,980
a book covering the 75 years of

673
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,360
Milwaukee skunk work says here because

674
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:57,840
the anniversary is coming up in 2013.

675
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:01,020
and he said yeah and then there for a

676
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,179
while there was some talk about them you

677
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:05,520
know actually funding it but at the very

678
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,279
last minute I got a I got a call from

679
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,260
Lockheed said that you know even even

680
00:29:14,330 --> 00:29:12,419
though we'd love to have it

681
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:14,340
um The Bean counters you know those are

682
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:15,900
the idiots that we have to deal with

683
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:19,380
unfortunately the green counters uh said

684
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,940
that you know that it wasn't in the

685
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:21,840
budget

686
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,860
so I did it on my own and I ended up uh

687
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,380
during my 75 years of Lockheed Skunk

688
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:30,240
Works

689
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:34,980
it's 384 pages one photo short of 1300

690
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:37,679
about a hundred thousand uh words of

691
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:39,480
text it's hard bound

692
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:43,500
and it covers 43 programs that were that

693
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,539
were created you know within the

694
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,480
Lockheed Skunk Works there's probably 43

695
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,279
that I know nothing about that are so

696
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:51,840
black that no one knows anything about

697
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:54,059
them unbelievable

698
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,700
and so uh where's the best place to

699
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:58,620
where's the best place for listeners to

700
00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:01,799
purchase that book Jim the best the best

701
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:03,899
place to get in all my books especially

702
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:06,000
if you're a Prime member and I don't

703
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,539
work for for Amazon or do I have any

704
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:11,279
affiliation with them but it's just a

705
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:15,360
cheap way to go if you go to amazon.com

706
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:20,039
put in in the uh search bar books by

707
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,600
James C Goodall g-o-o-d-a-l-l

708
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,700
and I know all my hard for my hardcover

709
00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:28,740
books will pop up immediately but but I

710
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:31,340
have like I say I have

711
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,980
I'm trying to figure out what my 30th

712
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,179
book is going to be and I think it's

713
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:38,580
going to be interviews at Mach 3

714
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:41,340
I have a lot of those uh from Blackboard

715
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,760
Pilots that's awesome and just for for

716
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,559
listeners um if they're not familiar

717
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:48,960
with Ben Rich he's the uh second

718
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,200
director of Lockheed Skunk Works and he

719
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,480
was known as the father of stealth he

720
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,700
was responsible for leading the

721
00:31:02,750 --> 00:30:59,820
development of the F-117 and you know

722
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:02,760
you've seen a lot of top secret and

723
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:04,679
advanced development programs and

724
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:07,860
aircraft and Skunk Works released

725
00:31:12,529 --> 00:31:10,440
details uh recently about the craft

726
00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:12,539
scene I don't know if you've seen the

727
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,419
recent Top Gun movie and they released

728
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:18,000
some uh twice oh that's such a great

729
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,360
movie me too I've seen it twice as well

730
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,700
and uh they released some details about

731
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:26,640
Maverick's Dark Star Hypersonic aircraft

732
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:28,980
because a lot of people said come on did

733
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,899
you really just make this for the movie

734
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,880
there was a little bit of conspiracy

735
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,500
around that that they would really just

736
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:36,360
make such an amazing craft for the movie

737
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:39,659
and there was an enigmatic him in their

738
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,260
words their official statements said

739
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,440
quote dark star's capabilities could be

740
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,080
more than mere fiction they could be

741
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:52,559
reality and that kind of brings me to my

742
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,260
next question

743
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,640
According to some Insider information

744
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,039
I've gathered and this is not Dark Star

745
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,919
related but I've been told that the

746
00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:04,140
artificial intelligence present on the

747
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,559
F-35 lightning II which is they have

748
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,919
them at Hill Air Force Base here in Utah

749
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,480
and it's possibly the most advanced

750
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,640
fifth generation aircraft that's known

751
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,100
known about anyway like you said summer

752
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,840
some are so dark they're not known about

753
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,320
but the rumor is that the AI Tech on

754
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:24,600
this aircraft can distinguish not only

755
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:27,480
the presence of unidentified aerial

756
00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:30,779
phenomena or uaps but can classify them

757
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,260
as friendly dangerous or non-threatening

758
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,240
amazing Tech so my question isn't to

759
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,580
verify this or not but with the

760
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:40,799
possibility of that type of Technology

761
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:44,279
existing in our time frame surprise you

762
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:45,960
no

763
00:32:53,649 --> 00:32:48,480
wow

764
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:53,659
uh you know in 1982 or 83

765
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,960
I was invited by the Honeywell avionics

766
00:33:01,789 --> 00:32:59,340
group it's called they call it Ridgeway

767
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:01,799
it's in the Ridgeway area of uh

768
00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:03,240
Minneapolis

769
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:06,059
and they they did all the electronics

770
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:09,960
for the Blackbirds the a12 West 12 SR-71

771
00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:11,940
and D21

772
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:13,980
and they've been a long time Skunk Works

773
00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,019
provider of electronics

774
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:18,899
and the head of the uh the head of uh

775
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:21,480
the engineering department at uh

776
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:24,779
Honeywell invited me because you know

777
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,519
what my passions were

778
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,320
so I'm I'm sort of sitting in the back

779
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,120
and it was a banquet and it was fun and

780
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,700
then the keynote speaker was Kelly

781
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:33,840
Johnson

782
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:36,600
and Kelly's up Kelly's up there and he

783
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:38,340
said you know you know all of you know

784
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,799
about uh the a12 the yf-12 and the SR-71

785
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,360
and you some of you are probably

786
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:47,279
familiar with the little

787
00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:50,880
bird which I can't talk about but

788
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:53,340
there's a toy company in San Diego he

789
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,840
was referring to John Andrews from

790
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,720
testers

791
00:34:03,590 --> 00:33:59,220
who's talking about coming up with a

792
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,600
model of uh their little Blackbird and

793
00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:04,799
then there's some other there's some

794
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,419
other character lives up here in the

795
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:09,359
Midwest who's written about it and I

796
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:10,919
can't even talk about he was referring

797
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,740
to me no way

798
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,599
yeah no he was referring to me so he

799
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:18,000
gets he gets into his uh his

800
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,500
presentation

801
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,960
and he said

802
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,720
speed costs money

803
00:34:29,450 --> 00:34:26,820
how fast do you want to go I said today

804
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:29,460
we had the Blackbird flying at Mach 3.2

805
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,080
and that's about you know you can go to

806
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,760
mach 3.3

807
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,460
but anything above that uh you could you

808
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:37,919
run in you can run into some on starts

809
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:41,820
and some other uh unsafe positions

810
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:43,740
he said but we have the Billy today

811
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:47,760
again this is 40 years ago

812
00:34:56,570 --> 00:34:51,839
not last month 40 years ago we have the

813
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:56,580
ability to build and fly a manned air

814
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:00,300
breathing platform to go Mach 4 Mach 6

815
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,280
Mach 8 Mach 12 Mach 16 speed costs money

816
00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:09,119
how fast do you want to go

817
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:12,359
so that tells me that you know that that

818
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:14,280
the Blackbird even though it's the most

819
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,960
incredible airplane to fly that we know

820
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,760
of

821
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,280
um it was just that [\h__\h] as compared to

822
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:22,320
what you know technology would allow us

823
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,500
to do in you know in future years

824
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:27,839
now with the end of the Cold War you

825
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,660
know the Strategic enemy disappeared

826
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:32,160
sort of

827
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:34,260
and I have a different he's now retired

828
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:36,900
from the skunk workspace he had 30 I

829
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,440
think 33 years at the Skunk Works

830
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,300
and he was the number three guy when he

831
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:44,040
retired they actually asked him if he

832
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:45,240
wanted to be the vice president general

833
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:48,720
manager uh when when they instead they

834
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,540
hired Jeff babion and he said look I'm

835
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,040
an engineer I'm not I'm not an

836
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,920
administrator I'm not a politician so he

837
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:58,079
you know he backed out of it

838
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,359
but he uh but I talk to him all the time

839
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:03,359
and I and I know he he won't he's the

840
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,920
most security conscious person they've

841
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,079
ever encountered and then when I go to

842
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,880
when I go to LA or whatever I usually

843
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:10,200
try to track him down and we'll have

844
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:11,579
dinner

845
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:13,560
and I asked him I said okay I know you

846
00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:15,000
can't tell me

847
00:36:19,550 --> 00:36:17,700
the real spooky stuff

848
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:19,560
but is there and you know what my

849
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,740
passions are is there anything that

850
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:24,660
you're aware of that would get me

851
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,280
excited

852
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:29,280
because it's like six years ago this is

853
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,520
before the problems with uh China and

854
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:34,800
the problems and you know the bigger

855
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:37,079
problems with Russia and and the Middle

856
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:37,920
East

857
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,260
he said Jim says he said my I have

858
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:42,420
passions about the same things you do

859
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,440
and uh we have nothing in the pipeline

860
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,780
that would get you or me excited when it

861
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,240
comes to that level of excitement that

862
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:53,940
would be the F-117 or U2 for the first

863
00:37:00,670 --> 00:36:56,880
time or the Blackwood for example

864
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:00,680
so I was uh I was kind of disappointed

865
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:04,200
but the world has changed now when they

866
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:06,300
when they you have to contract to build

867
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,480
a blackbird from signing a contract to

868
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,800
first flight

869
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:13,920
was 32 months

870
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:16,980
this is 15 years after Jaeger had gone

871
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:20,640
Mach 1 in a rocket-powered airplane

872
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,300
the Skunk Works is tasked to build a

873
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:27,480
the first all titanium airframed and

874
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:30,540
plastic aircraft

875
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,260
that will fly sustained Mach 3 because

876
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:36,119
they read the original requirements

877
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,380
where mach3 democ for 80 to 120 000 feet

878
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:42,480
so anywhere within there if you met

879
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,210
um

880
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:49,920
you know and all that you know the world

881
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:52,020
has changed so now

882
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:53,940
the last four or five years things have

883
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:55,320
gotten pretty hot especially the last

884
00:37:59,390 --> 00:37:56,579
two years

885
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,400
it would not surprise me that they've

886
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:02,220
they've had something uh in the in the

887
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:03,900
works

888
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:06,720
there's a there's about 6 000 people at

889
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:09,839
the Lockheed Skunk Works production and

890
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:14,280
and refit and overall facility at Air

891
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,980
Force plant 42 in Palmdale

892
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,839
so they're they're doing more than

893
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,359
building replacement panels for f-22s

894
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:24,000
and f-35s

895
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,280
and most you know most of the places is

896
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:28,200
off limits and there's stuff going in at

897
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:29,040
night

898
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,020
uh they'll turn on the runway lights off

899
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:32,640
and they'll land a C5 somewhere and

900
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:34,140
everything's in the cover of darkness

901
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:35,640
and they load something and slide out

902
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,839
and bring it you know bring it to area

903
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,460
51.

904
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:41,339
for flight test

905
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:42,900
but I

906
00:38:48,829 --> 00:38:46,380
I doubt seriously a son of Blackbird has

907
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,089
but

908
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,320
I asked and I asked Ben Richard years

909
00:38:57,530 --> 00:38:54,720
ago I said how come Russian or at the

910
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,540
time Soviet aircraft like the you know

911
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,060
the you know the uh

912
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:03,440
the mid-20s I said

913
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:08,280
make 29 or the su-27 why why do they

914
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,700
look like an F-15 or an F-16

915
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:13,440
he said

916
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:16,260
the laws of aerodynamics and Mathematics

917
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:19,079
don't care what language you speak if

918
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:20,820
you're if you're building or designing

919
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:24,240
an airplane to meet a a specific

920
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,060
design requirements whether you're

921
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:29,820
building it with you know Russian

922
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:32,520
language uh instructions or Chinese

923
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:35,220
language instructions or whatever or

924
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:36,480
American

925
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,960
the design is going to be fairly similar

926
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,960
because of if you're both built you know

927
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,760
if you're all building aircraft to meet

928
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:47,040
the same threat

929
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:48,839
then there'll probably be a lot of

930
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:56,690
and the su-27

931
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:04,790
I'm so glad that you mentioned that area

932
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,760
in Palmdale because I mean it is

933
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,560
amazing 215

934
00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:13,440
000 square feet in the California desert

935
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:17,460
I think it's on almost 600 acres and

936
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:20,280
it's it's kind of like uh if you're into

937
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:21,720
this sort of thing it's sort of like

938
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,780
Willy Wonka's chocolate factory with oh

939
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,240
it is what they're doing in there

940
00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:29,760
there there's there's a group of uh

941
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,940
Aviation enthusiasts mostly guys

942
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,380
even though there are a few women who

943
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:36,900
who are into it but it's mostly a guide

944
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:37,800
thing

945
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:41,220
uh there's a place right on Sierra

946
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,599
Highway I think they call it Charlie's

947
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,599
Corner it was an old retired Marine I

948
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:47,040
don't know if he was a Gunnery Sergeant

949
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:48,420
or whatever but he was out there with

950
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,339
his Step Van

951
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:52,980
and he would uh you know he would sell

952
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:55,980
pop and whatever but he was but it was a

953
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:58,920
gathering place for people who want to

954
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,980
see incredible airplanes taking off so

955
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,480
during the day you can have a YouTube

956
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:05,820
back in the day you could have an SR-71

957
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:09,240
or an F-117 fly in and out of uh Air

958
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:12,780
Force plan 42. uh and you know you have

959
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,380
uh Sophia that was the 747 SP that was

960
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:18,359
just retired

961
00:41:22,849 --> 00:41:19,740
and

962
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:22,859
it's just a uh

963
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,260
it's an incredible place and they're

964
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,119
doing they're doing incredible things

965
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:29,280
and everybody all the major

966
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,740
manufacturers and now there's only uh we

967
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,060
only have three

968
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,640
we have Northrop Grumman we have

969
00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:38,880
Lockheed Martin and we have Boeing

970
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,820
and uh

971
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:43,859
and it does say racing on you know

972
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,140
they're they're in there as well so

973
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,060
it used to be that every single

974
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:50,520
manufacturer had a site there's 10 sites

975
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:53,820
at Palmdale site 10 is where the uh

976
00:41:58,730 --> 00:41:56,820
Lockheed Skunk Works is now uh now

977
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:58,740
called home

978
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:01,079
and I've been I've been at Skunk Works

979
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:03,540
and giving

980
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:07,560
giving a non-classified tour of places

981
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:10,140
where they can show me

982
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:11,579
six times

983
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,359
and what tickles me I I I I had such a

984
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,480
good rapport with with everybody at the

985
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:19,740
Skunk Works

986
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:23,820
is my badge in my visitor dad said no

987
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,460
escort required of course you you can't

988
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:28,260
get into the spooky areas unless you

989
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,359
have a key card and no you know know the

990
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,119
pin number on the cipher lock

991
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:36,000
but it's um

992
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,280
I just had a ball it's just been a lot

993
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,079
of fun and there's there's stuff out

994
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,480
there now I've been to the fence line at

995
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,700
both Area 51 this is the northern fence

996
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,040
line and or on top of Whitesides or

997
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,480
Freedom Ridge which are not have been

998
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,060
taken away back in the late 90s or the

999
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,060
fence line had tonopod test range

1000
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:56,640
nobody 80 different times over the last

1001
00:43:02,510 --> 00:42:59,940
40 years 35 years

1002
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,520
I got to the point where

1003
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,040
you know the security people knew me I

1004
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:06,480
can remember I was on the fence line

1005
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,760
with John Lear the late John layer we

1006
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,920
were friends for about 45 years before

1007
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:12,660
he passed

1008
00:43:18,349 --> 00:43:15,660
and it's 11 o'clock at night it's it's

1009
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:18,359
the middle of June 1997. you know the

1010
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,960
f-117s had had never returned back to

1011
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:24,420
tonopod test ratings for a permanent bed

1012
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:26,700
down because they all moved to Holloman

1013
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:29,579
outside of Alamogordo so we're we're

1014
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,359
about two miles west of the main gate to

1015
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,119
the Tonopah testing facility

1016
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:38,940
and up there's the man camp but from the

1017
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:42,420
fence line looking down to the base it's

1018
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,020
eight miles and you can see the entire

1019
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,240
facility from the fence line

1020
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:51,060
so we're sitting there and uh you go

1021
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:52,619
there with your lawn chairs and you tape

1022
00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:55,260
up your long pants with uh duct tape so

1023
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:57,060
scorpions don't growl up your leg and

1024
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:59,579
stuff because there's Critters out there

1025
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,140
and we're sitting there with our feet up

1026
00:44:04,370 --> 00:44:03,180
in the up in the Bob wire I'm not

1027
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:04,380
allowing chairs just waiting for

1028
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:05,880
something to happen then we both have

1029
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:08,760
night vision goggles on

1030
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,579
and we notice there's three armored

1031
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,619
person there personnel carriers on the

1032
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,880
south side of the fence which is

1033
00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,680
restricted area

1034
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,420
but the lights off heading towards us

1035
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:20,819
one from the south one to the east one

1036
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:22,020
from the West

1037
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:24,119
so I stand up and yell real loud hey

1038
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,520
we're good guys we're in taxpayers and

1039
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:28,079
all of a sudden we had sled lights on

1040
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:29,819
there's little red dots on John's test

1041
00:44:35,210 --> 00:44:33,060
little red dots bouncing on my chest

1042
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:35,220
and about the same time there's a

1043
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:38,060
vehicle coming down the uh

1044
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:41,099
public lands is it's called BLM it

1045
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,359
doesn't stand for what the world thinks

1046
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:44,460
BLM stands for today the Bureau of Land

1047
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:47,819
Management second land public land

1048
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:50,700
so this pickup truck stops behind guns

1049
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:53,339
uh John layer's pickup truck and

1050
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:55,740
it comes around using desert utilities

1051
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:59,220
he has his hand on his Beretta he said

1052
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,660
you're in a restricted area and I'm

1053
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,160
ordering you to leave

1054
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:04,500
and I said sir I don't know who you are

1055
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:07,619
but this is public lands and I don't I

1056
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:09,720
don't need your permission to be here

1057
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,780
yes you do I just uh he says I'm working

1058
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,520
to leave right now and I pulled out the

1059
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:16,140
aeronautical map that gives the

1060
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:17,940
longitude and latitude of the restricted

1061
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:18,839
area

1062
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:20,579
and I said

1063
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,680
according to this official government

1064
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,960
issued map

1065
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:27,119
said that we're on public lands and if

1066
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,980
you look at the fence post over where my

1067
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:30,720
buddy is sitting you'll see it you'll

1068
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,060
find a USGS medallion

1069
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,099
it gives a longitudinal attitude a

1070
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,920
second I'm on public lands and I can be

1071
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,560
here for 15 consecutive days without

1072
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,960
asking anybody's permission

1073
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,180
I want to see some ID I said sir and

1074
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,460
that was rude I mean I was I didn't I

1075
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:49,920
didn't use profanity towards him and I I

1076
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,700
but I I used a lot of sarcasm I know

1077
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,740
it's really upsetting them I want to see

1078
00:46:01,490 --> 00:45:58,800
some idea man I said well who are you

1079
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:01,500
I'm captain so-and-so with ASI which

1080
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,500
stitching uh Advanced security Inc I

1081
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,200
said sir your rent a comp you don't have

1082
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,480
jurisdiction on this side of the fence

1083
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:12,720
and boy he's getting he is getting just

1084
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,099
pissed

1085
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:15,359
and

1086
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:17,460
so I want to see some ideas I don't know

1087
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,839
if there's any squad I said well I've

1088
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:21,359
been I've been jeopardized uh by Lincoln

1089
00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:24,540
asmeralda and Nye County to uphold the

1090
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:26,339
laws of the state of Nevada and the

1091
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,020
federal government I said well good for

1092
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:29,760
you

1093
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:35,400
so he hands me his ASI badge and I give

1094
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:36,839
it back and I said sir that's not a

1095
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:39,480
former that's not a valid form of ID I

1096
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:40,920
need something issued by the state or

1097
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,660
federal government

1098
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:45,000
and he's getting more pissed

1099
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:46,859
so he hands me as a Nevada driver's

1100
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:48,119
license and

1101
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,619
you know I don't have my reading glasses

1102
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,599
on so and it's dark

1103
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,119
so I gave him my Minnesota license layer

1104
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:56,880
handsome his Nevada license

1105
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,680
a guy comes over from the south side of

1106
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:00,900
the fence from one of the uh armored

1107
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,420
personnel carriers and the guy the noise

1108
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,760
the north side of the fence hands it to

1109
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:07,500
the guys it goes back to probably the

1110
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,760
supervisor

1111
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:10,680
and I don't know if you use profanity on

1112
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:18,770
it turns the turns the interior light on

1113
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,700
their personnel carrier he said he said

1114
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,619
[\h__\h] it's good all in a weird the lights

1115
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:23,760
went off the little red lights

1116
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,060
disappeared but we but we knew they

1117
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:29,520
weren't going to uh

1118
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:35,270
so I I I'm fairly well known out there

1119
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,960
uh I think I've even had uh uh

1120
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:42,000
you know people I know you know who have

1121
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,740
been at Area 51 who said you know when

1122
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,200
they when they took away

1123
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,400
Whitesides and freedom Ridge from your

1124
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:48,720
access

1125
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,660
is that all the security guys said it

1126
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:53,400
used to be fun it used to be a cat and

1127
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,839
mouse snake to see what these guys are

1128
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,339
doing you know trying to sneak up and

1129
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:57,839
see which flying that area for us to win

1130
00:48:01,790 --> 00:48:00,359
now it's just boring I'm just driving

1131
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,800
around the desert doesn't there's

1132
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:03,900
nothing intriguing to do

1133
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,060
so

1134
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,520
and it's it's and it's the world we live

1135
00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:10,560
in today but anybody anybody who goes

1136
00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:13,260
out and I I gave a presentation to the

1137
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,980
uh Phoenix move on here uh last was it

1138
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,200
last spring but almost a year

1139
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:20,819
and

1140
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,099
you know basically what I you know the

1141
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,619
title of his title of it is everything

1142
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:27,900
you want to know about Area 51 but

1143
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,460
didn't know who to ask and didn't want

1144
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:31,020
to get shot

1145
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:32,940
and one of the one of the primary things

1146
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:41,150
my mind just went blank

1147
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,970
yeah but uh well I'll take this

1148
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:55,200
opportunity to ask something kind of

1149
00:49:01,450 --> 00:48:58,380
about this recent footage that seems to

1150
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:01,460
be coming out of at least

1151
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,980
apparently from military organizations

1152
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:06,540
because you've brought up something

1153
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:08,700
interesting that a lot of times

1154
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,180
although these subcontractors Etc are

1155
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,280
being hired by the military there's

1156
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,140
something problematic that can take

1157
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:19,200
place and provocatively lately

1158
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,540
um the recent media attention being paid

1159
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,200
to uaps supposedly coming from the U.S

1160
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:27,900
Navy whether the gimbal the go fast the

1161
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:30,060
FLIR one the Tic Tac and I think more

1162
00:49:36,829 --> 00:49:33,480
recently the pyramid footage is is it

1163
00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:36,839
possible or is there a possibility that

1164
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,780
there are some technologies some even in

1165
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:42,359
positions of Power are unaware of such

1166
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:44,700
as those recent cases

1167
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,700
oh absolutely absolutely I mean take for

1168
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:50,339
example my favorite airplane in the

1169
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:52,859
world the a12 Blackbird

1170
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,119
that airplane was retired

1171
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,940
for almost 20 years before they ever

1172
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,119
acknowledged the existence of it

1173
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:06,180
jeez it was it wasn't until I mean they

1174
00:50:13,329 --> 00:50:09,800
retired it in in the 19 uh

1175
00:50:15,950 --> 00:50:13,339
my mind is going back

1176
00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:15,960
1968 is when they and when they retired

1177
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:18,200
you know the last a12

1178
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,220
and uh it wasn't until 1988 that they

1179
00:50:26,589 --> 00:50:25,260
even hinted that there was a secret pest

1180
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:26,599
facility

1181
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,200
uh about 200 miles north of uh of Nellis

1182
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,640
Air Force Base

1183
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,240
and that'd be area 51. so

1184
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,470
and said yes

1185
00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:44,450
they're doing they're doing some stuff

1186
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:45,960
there I mean the the security around

1187
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:48,900
Area 51 has gotten more intense since 9

1188
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,380
11 and it's gotten more intense

1189
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:53,280
um

1190
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,880
yeah within the last uh five to six you

1191
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:58,619
know five to six years

1192
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,800
that they've now put signage on all the

1193
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:04,559
all the the dirt roads going uh up to

1194
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,260
where you where the perimeter would be

1195
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,359
of area 51.

1196
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:11,280
and they don't have the authority to

1197
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,780
take that land

1198
00:51:18,410 --> 00:51:15,839
and I'm I'm very I'm very tempted to

1199
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,420
push the issue

1200
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:20,579
because

1201
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:23,579
there's there's a mile or two miles from

1202
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:25,500
the fence line This is on the east side

1203
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:29,220
or from the perimeter uh they have signs

1204
00:51:32,569 --> 00:51:30,780
out there if you pass this if you pass

1205
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,579
this point you'll be arrested in your

1206
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:34,079
car you know

1207
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:35,940
yeah

1208
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:39,960
that's you know taken and uh it will it

1209
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:41,579
will cause an awful lot of misery for

1210
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:42,300
you

1211
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:45,720
that just that sign here it takes the

1212
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:47,460
hell out of me where do they get off

1213
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,599
taking uh taking property that was

1214
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:53,819
public land and claiming it for

1215
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,079
themselves

1216
00:51:59,569 --> 00:51:58,319
I mean claiming it for Area 51 that can

1217
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,579
only be done with the legislative

1218
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:00,960
process you know there's something

1219
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:03,300
signed by the president that hasn't been

1220
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:04,440
done

1221
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:07,400
so we have we have things out there now

1222
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,280
uh we're in a little bit sort of time

1223
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:13,500
imagine my friend my friendship with Ben

1224
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:16,940
Rich we talked quarterly for 25 years

1225
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:18,900
certainly after his retirement I think

1226
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:22,740
his name is 1993 or 94 time frame he was

1227
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:26,400
the keynote speaker at the aeronautical

1228
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:27,960
uh

1229
00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,599
school at UCLA it was a graduate student

1230
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:32,099
uh

1231
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:37,079
whatever and Ben was the keynote speaker

1232
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,980
and in part of his prepared

1233
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,839
text

1234
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:44,880
near the end I was talking about what

1235
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:46,140
the skunk was does and what they're

1236
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,400
looking for and you know nautical

1237
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:54,710
we have today we have the ability now

1238
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,440
this 1993 that's 30 years ago

1239
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:02,160
we have the ability to take EP home now

1240
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:03,960
think about that statement this is the

1241
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:06,540
most significant person in the Aerospace

1242
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:14,930
in 1983 we had the ability in 1993 we

1243
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,880
had the ability to take ET home which

1244
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,160
means we have the ability

1245
00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:23,160
to go fast

1246
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:27,720
fast forward to I think he died in 97.

1247
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,440
I called Ben Rich at the uh at USC

1248
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,300
Medical Center

1249
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:35,940
he's dying of esophageal cancer that's

1250
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:38,040
from breathing the chemicals used in

1251
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:39,720
stealth Coatings

1252
00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:40,800
um

1253
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:43,619
heavy I know in that in that

1254
00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:45,300
that worked on stealth they all have

1255
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,190
so I'm calling he said you know he's at

1256
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,760
the hospital you're talking about you

1257
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:55,200
know old friends and whatever and we

1258
00:53:58,250 --> 00:53:57,240
finally got you know near the end of our

1259
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:58,260
[\h__\h]

1260
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,180
and he said Jim

1261
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:02,460
we have things out in the desert and he

1262
00:54:07,849 --> 00:54:05,220
wasn't referring to area 51.

1263
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:07,859
we have things out in the desert that's

1264
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,880
50 years beyond what you can comprehend

1265
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:13,920
now James C Goodall can complement

1266
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,859
comprehend a hell of a lot

1267
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:18,900
and he said if you see movies like Star

1268
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,940
Trek or Star Wars

1269
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,680
we've been there

1270
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:24,000
done that

1271
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:27,000
or decided it wasn't worth the effort

1272
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,460
I've been situated you want to expand

1273
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,040
upon that he said no

1274
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,839
and unfortunately he passed away about

1275
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:35,880
10 days later

1276
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,710
we have the we have abilities that I

1277
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,059
think the general population even if our

1278
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:47,400
enemies knew they would say oh goodness

1279
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:50,760
and we've got to fear these people

1280
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,420
um

1281
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:53,760
but the technology is not being allowed

1282
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:55,260
to be released because for whatever

1283
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:57,960
reason and maybe we're not in control of

1284
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,460
that information

1285
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,440
now for

1286
00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:04,020
for a little over two years I was a

1287
00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:05,940
docent up at Kitt Peak National

1288
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,760
observatories about 50 miles west of

1289
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:11,280
Tucson Arizona they have 22 optical

1290
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:14,040
telescopes and two radio telescopes the

1291
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:16,020
radio telescopes are 12 meter and a 25

1292
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,280
meter

1293
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,280
the telescopes go from 12 inch to 13

1294
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,040
feet as far as the primary mirror

1295
00:55:28,089 --> 00:55:26,400
on the 2.1 meter telescope on kit Peak

1296
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,099
Caltech

1297
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,920
contracted and used it remotely four or

1298
00:55:38,030 --> 00:55:34,640
five years and they were looking for

1299
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:38,040
exoplanets in our Milky Way

1300
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,680
now they had a UV laser they would shine

1301
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,720
up in the sky and they they would Center

1302
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:44,640
that look and they would

1303
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,180
at 18 000 feet ahead of a real specific

1304
00:55:52,990 --> 00:55:50,460
diameter

1305
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:53,000
and there's a

1306
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:56,099
deformable mirror on the secondary

1307
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:57,240
mirror

1308
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:01,079
that that adjusts 1200 times a second

1309
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:05,400
to remove any any type of uh movement or

1310
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,020
flutter whatever because the air

1311
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,119
turbulences or whatever

1312
00:56:14,569 --> 00:56:11,520
and they say they have pretty much the

1313
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,579
same resolution as the Hubble

1314
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,319
this is pretty incredible

1315
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,240
it was done remotely

1316
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:20,760
but just before I just before I left kid

1317
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,480
Peak there was a gathering of all of the

1318
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:27,119
astronomers the technicians and the

1319
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
docents to show and tell during pizza at

1320
00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:33,839
the headquarters of the national Optical

1321
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,819
astronomy observatories which is at the

1322
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,920
University of Arizona

1323
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:40,079
and we had we had our beer and pizza and

1324
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,640
you know this gentleman gets up and I

1325
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:43,200
didn't I didn't know his name because I

1326
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:45,660
knew I was leaving

1327
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:48,059
he said he said I just returned from a

1328
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,000
worldwide conference on exoplanets

1329
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:54,000
and using and this is everybody I mean

1330
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,859
regardless of whether any any

1331
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:57,540
astronomers looking for extra planets

1332
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:00,300
was at this conference and said based on

1333
00:57:05,049 --> 00:57:03,240
proven mathematical formulas that yeah

1334
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:05,059
we have years you know

1335
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,460
developing what's out there we calculate

1336
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,020
based on all the newer information from

1337
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,720
exoplanet research

1338
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,119
that for every star in the universe

1339
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:17,940
there's one and a half planets

1340
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,339
and think about that number I mean you

1341
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:21,839
can't even you can't even put just the

1342
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:23,640
decimal points down it would probably

1343
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:25,559
fill your house

1344
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:28,260
if they were an object

1345
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:31,859
he said uh out of that incredible number

1346
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,920
of planets we calculate again using you

1347
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:37,200
know proven mathematical you know

1348
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:38,579
formulas

1349
00:57:44,589 --> 00:57:41,579
that there are two billion and that's

1350
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:44,599
with a B two billion earth-like planets

1351
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:47,700
orbiting a similar size brown dwarf

1352
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,000
stars our sun in the inhabitable Zone

1353
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:53,400
with liquid water

1354
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:55,380
yeah and to quote Jody Foster the

1355
00:58:03,589 --> 00:57:57,720
character in the movie contact if we're

1356
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:05,089
so

1357
00:58:08,510 --> 00:58:05,880
um

1358
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:08,520
it is pretty incredible it's I mean it's

1359
00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:17,390
yeah I think uh most of

1360
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:20,220
Moon uh astronauts guys are land about

1361
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,680
most of them that have spoken

1362
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,520
uh

1363
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,619
regardless of what the consequences are

1364
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,420
have all said

1365
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:30,480
we were being observed on the moon

1366
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:32,099
by

1367
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:38,329
I mean it's documented

1368
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:40,380
and that's pretty wild yet and

1369
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,420
apparently they have psychography of

1370
00:58:46,609 --> 00:58:44,819
structures on the moon primarily on the

1371
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:46,619
backside

1372
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,299
um

1373
00:58:52,730 --> 00:58:50,579
yeah I know when I spoke with John Lear

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he had mentioned some of these some of

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these structures on the back side so

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apparently yeah

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yeah and

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why why did we quit going to the Moon

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after Apollo 17.

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maybe we were told by powers that are

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more powerful than we are

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00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,780
it's not a good idea to come here

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00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:18,319
don't come here again for a while

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00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:20,819
and now you know now we're you know

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we're

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00:59:26,569 --> 00:59:25,020
allegedly heading back

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so it's gonna it's gonna be interesting

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00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:28,740
I can have you I can hardly wait for uh

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00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:32,579
the moon landing it it's wild the when

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00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:34,619
when you start to Fathom what our

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00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:37,500
technology might be like now because as

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00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:40,619
you mentioned I mean the Blackbirds top

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00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,040
speed was officially Mach 3.2 but

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00:59:49,069 --> 00:59:46,079
I've been told that it could go must

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00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,079
much faster than that and it was it was

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00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:51,599
able to outrun missiles and I mean this

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run the the early sa2 Sams

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uh the new ones the uh the uh

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01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,380
you know the new Russian ones you know

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01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,839
probably probably could take it down but

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in the in the environment that it flies

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01:00:16,210 --> 01:00:14,520
in is less than a tenth a percent of the

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01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:16,220
atmosphere up there I think you're 14

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01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,040
excuse me so have you know 100 of the

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01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,260
atmosphere is up there

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01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:24,720
so over pressure can't damage the

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01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,520
airplane that's how that's that's how

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01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,920
they took down uh Gary Powers into you

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01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,200
too they didn't hit him with the service

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01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,000
air missile or an air-to-air missile

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01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:35,040
with whichever it was but when it

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01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:38,339
exploded the overpressure uh destroyed

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01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:39,980
the control surfaces

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01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,920
at 85 000 feet you have to hit the

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01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:44,880
airplane

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01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,400
and when when Kelly Kelly's team

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01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:49,680
designed the Blackbird they designed it

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01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,980
that if any major composite panel were

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01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:55,680
to be lost the airplane is still fully

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01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:58,140
functional and able to get home

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01:01:04,490 --> 01:00:59,640
so

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01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:04,500
uh you know they you know they tried to

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01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:07,260
shoot it down and they couldn't but it's

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01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:09,720
so amazing to think where technology is

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01:01:15,250 --> 01:01:11,819
today and and where it will be tomorrow

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01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:15,260
your your stories and knowledge base are

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01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:18,000
exponentially more than the usual guests

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01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:20,339
I've had the opportunity to talk to Jim

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01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:24,420
and I thank you so much any time yeah

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01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:25,619
you know

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01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:27,960
if you wanted to chat with me again down

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01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:30,059
the road I'm more than happy thank you

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01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:31,619
so much for taking the time out of your

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01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,480
day and thanks so much it's been it's

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01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:35,040
been an honor can you tell listeners

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01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:36,839
where they can keep up with your work

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01:01:41,390 --> 01:01:39,480
beautiful photography books and more

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01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,400
well again I I don't the only thing I

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01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:43,920
have is Facebook uh so if you you know

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01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:47,460
Jim Goodall and Facebook and

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01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:49,940
usually I I if it's someone who's a real

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01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:52,740
Aviation Enthusiast and he doesn't have

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01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:56,220
any other doesn't know anybody else I

1444
01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,420
don't really discriminate when people

1445
01:02:02,030 --> 01:01:59,700
want oh can I be can I be your you know

1446
01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:02,040
be on your friends list sure

1447
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:05,339
who am I to say no so

1448
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,980
I gotta I gotta run I had to be on a

1449
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:10,020
different another program here right now

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01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:12,359
okay thanks so much Jim have a wonderful

1451
01:02:18,049 --> 01:02:14,520
one it's been an honor thank you sir you

1452
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:18,059
take care all right bye-bye

1453
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:21,920
what a treat man oh man you know

1454
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:25,200
Lockheed Martin and Skunk Works in

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01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:26,400
particular

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01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:27,720
has

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01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,240
been tackling seemingly impossible work

1458
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,440
impossible tasks

1459
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:37,280
and guaranteeing impossible missions

1460
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:40,500
developing Technologies for tomorrow's

1461
01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:44,160
challenges oftentimes before the need is

1462
01:02:50,569 --> 01:02:46,500
even identified

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01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:50,579
they've created stealth capabilities

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01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:53,700
radar evading aircraft

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01:02:59,210 --> 01:02:56,160
x-planes

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01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:59,220
and revolutionary Technologies in

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01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,660
between

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01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,520
they have a long history and tradition

1469
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,980
of quickly developing things sometimes

1470
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:07,440
under the cover of Darkness under circus

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01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,420
tents

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01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:12,119
with enduring Innovation when it's

1473
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:14,220
needed most

1474
01:03:20,450 --> 01:03:18,119
and it was such a blessing to talk to Mr

1475
01:03:23,089 --> 01:03:20,460
James Goodall he's definitely somebody

1476
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:23,099
who knows what he's talking about

1477
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:27,599
and has talked to those in the know

1478
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,180
speaking of those in the know those in

1479
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,599
the know know that there is a ton of

1480
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:36,000
content behind the paywall

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01:03:42,650 --> 01:03:39,420
at hero paranormal on patreon go to

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01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:42,660
patreon search for hero paranormal

1483
01:03:49,609 --> 01:03:47,040
And subscribe you can also access a

1484
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:49,619
bunch of the content behind the paywall

1485
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:58,010
until next time keep your eyes to the

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01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:00,839
skies feet on the ground but don't

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01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:11,930
[Music]

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01:04:16,110 --> 01:04:13,380
thank you